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13 Sep 2020 23:18:58
Come on Ed give us some up lifting news about some kind off movement on ins and outs 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻.

Whitbyhammer

{Ed002's Note - The situation remains that West Ham United need to sell to raise money for purchases - well Genoa have opened talks about two players from England, one is Jack Wilshere. West Ham has sold Grady Diangana and Xande Silva could follow him to West Brom. Felipe Anderson, Lanzini and Rice could bring funds in. Marcos Paulo (S) West Ham have asked about taking the Fluminese forward, but he is expensive.}


1.) 14 Sep 2020 09:14:58
Ed002.why is it that West Ham appear to be the only club in this position?

All the teams around us are strengthening. and seem largely unconcerned in their spending by the impact of the virus.

Yet West Ham with owners who aren't THAT different in their wealth position to the Everton owners, plead absolute poverty and are looking into flogging the family silver (quite literally in Gold's case) . Ashley who doesn't even want to be at Newcastle seems able to find a few beans to throw into players that would clearly improve their side.

We have owners with no appetite, a manager with no pulling power, and a club that has been relentlessly been madea toxic location overtime since leaving the Boleyn Ground.

Even when the owners tried to go big their incompetence showed (bringing in a manager who had started his retirement wind down in China, bringing in a director of football who sat below the manager and was off the back of a disastrous season at Malaga) . and then when it goes unsurprisingly wrong, they blame the model rather than being able to spot their own failings and reverse to a busted flush who quite literally couldn't find a job at any level of the game.

The club is going down - wouldn't surprise me if we're in league one within 5 years. No strategy, no competence, and reducing assets not gaining.

{Ed002's Note - There are numerous clubs in the position of West Ham. Take Liverpool as an example, they also have to sell to buy. Real Madrid are having to recover €190M through sales to cover their losses before making any significant purchases. Barcelona and most Italian sides are using player trades more than they would do normally. Businesses have been hit hard by the pandemic and there is not money to throw at clubs - who should be largely self sufficient.}


2.) 14 Sep 2020 13:14:17
Trouble there is you're talking about the Champions (who worst case end up top 4) and some of the biggest sides in Europe.

West Ham aren't in the position to not invest in their squad at a time when all around them are.

The bottom line is the billionaire owners need to do what football club owners do and invest in their asset (not cross their fingers and hope for the best, as has become their trademark) .

{Ed002's Note - The club has to comply with FFP rules - they cannot simply throw money at the club.}


3.) 14 Sep 2020 15:38:22
Ummm. I thought that they kinda can though since the removal of the Short term Cost Control rule.

Not saying that there aren't still FFP rules to be followed but it's not quite as cut and dried as "No. We can't spend any money. "

The world of Premier League club's finances is pretty murky at the best of times and FFP does manage to muddy the waters even further but I'm not convinced it's the stingy chairman's get out clause it once was.

I will say this though, my comments are all purely speculative and without having a nice long look at the club's latest books - will remain as pure speculation.

That said, if the club really doesn't have a bean to spend then surely something, somewhere within the finance and planning departments has gone wrong, no?


4.) 16 Sep 2020 21:07:24
This would be my starting 11


FABIANSKI
FREDERICKS RICE OGBONNA JOHNSON

SOUCEK
BOWEN FORNALS
ANDERSON

ANTONIO HALLER


SUBS: LANZINI, YARMOLENKO, BALBUENA, SILVA, CULLEN, MASUAKU

. COYI.


5.) 16 Sep 2020 20:02:31
Are the rumours flying about that 2 Chinese and an american consortium are very interested in buying west ham I understand your views on this Ed but when is the earliest the club can be sold please Ed. COYI.

{Ed002's Note - Realisrically 2021.


6.) 17 Sep 2020 11:40:39
Are we really that bad, how many teams looked good this weekend?
Everton, Chelsea, Leeds, Arsenal!
Nearly all the teams looked tired and unfit, no excuse for it in my books, but everybody looked unfit.

I think players like Cullen and Snodgrass should get a go against Arsenal, even Anderson looked like he wanted to run a bit against Newcastle, which we did not see last year, if he wasn’t ready last year they should not of played him.

Realistically we are a mid table team, have been for last few years. All fans that think we should be challenging for Europe needs to get tested!
Let’s support the team, protests against the board do not help the players, if the right offer comes in they will sell, will we be better off, who knows!
COYI.


7.) 17 Sep 2020 12:13:36
Thanks Ed.


8.) 18 Sep 2020 22:17:08
I see Liverpool have signed a couple of players I truly believe we are being left behind and short on defensive cover and quality I'm afraid and worried that unless two defensive players are bought in we are really in for a horrible struggle and IMO that shouldn't be the case we should be established as a steady eddey in terms of premier league teams like your evertons and Burnley's who are established . COYI.


 

 

24 Aug 2020 13:08:00
Hugill gone to Norwich, any idea of the fee? Probs be about £4 knowing our luck and we will owe them it. ⚒⚒.

Whitbyhammer

{Ed002's Note - Until the TMS is updated the actual fee will not be known. They have been doing the updates fairly promptly, so perhaps it will be clear in a few days.}


1.) 24 Aug 2020 18:53:51
Cheers Ed nice one, hopefully you will be giving us good news about a couple a signings soon or departures fingers crossed? Just a quick on, is there any interest in Anderson from anyone, and do you know if he is with the squad in Scotland?

{Ed002's Note - Felipe Anderson (W/AM) citing not being given the freedom to play where he wants Anderson wants a move back to Lazio. Moyes wants him gone and West Ham have given him permission to speak with other clubs. West Ham have been hit hard by the pandemic and need to get the best return they can on the player - Lazio will be looking for a bargain. Too expensive right now.

I don't know where he is right now.}


2.) 24 Aug 2020 22:08:37
Wow cheers Ed that’s amazing bit of info, if he goes back to Lazio then we are going to lose some serious cash on him, shame really but with current goings on the way football is it’s a case of Like it or lump it.
Thanks for the update Ed. ⚒⚒.


 

 

19 Jul 2020 22:42:34
Tell you what lads, Man U could be for the taking on Wednesday like, so go for it I think.

Whitbyhammer

1.) 20 Jul 2020 06:03:39
We’ve got to be wary of them, they’re going to want to get back to winning ways, they won’t want to lose two on the spin, best form of defense is attack.


2.) 20 Jul 2020 10:59:38
I fancy a 1-1 draw.


3.) 20 Jul 2020 14:52:43
If Villa fail to win on Tuesday, we’re mathematically safe and can go out and enjoy this game.


4.) 21 Jul 2020 00:24:55
They are playing for a CL place, we will likely be playing for not much at all. I would like to think we could get a result but it will come down to whether the players can lift for the match.


5.) 22 Jul 2020 19:51:15
We are playing for more money and a scalp we do we have to lose by having a go De Gea is having a nightmare at the moment that tends to reflect with in the defense uncertain of the goalies command of the area motes has never done well against the top 6 I believe that’s down to attitude of shutting up shop we can’t sit back and allow United to keep running at us if we match and compete for the game we will get something from will moyes rest players for the villa game?


6.) 24 Jul 2020 21:55:18
Spot on BKK the higher you finish could be put towards a new player as the money is quite good the higher you finnish. COYI.


 

 

15 Jul 2020 06:15:27
Little rumours starting to flutter that teams looking to take Grady Diangana from after his loan at West Brom, Celtic, Ajax and a German club, aswell as a couple of English clubs, don't get me wrong it's from paper and web chat but I hope this is not true he is a very good player with a lot of potential. Was a great move from him the loan in that league with West Brom in the position they are in but we could have done with him ten games ago. Hope we don't lose him in my opinion. ⚒⚒.

Whitbyhammer

1.) 15 Jul 2020 10:25:27
I’m okay if the price is right. He is good but he won’t take us to the next level. We need to sell and invest in players that will take us up a notch, we have gone backward again.


2.) 15 Jul 2020 19:30:17
I wouldn't be over bothered we have bowen in that position anyway.


3.) 15 Jul 2020 23:42:07
He’s a good player, but we now have Bowen, although if Anderson and Yamalenko leave we may need to keep him.


4.) 16 Jul 2020 04:20:24
He young and developing into a good Player we should keep G. Diangana, he is fast not afraid to tackle back and young. type of players we need.
Look at all the expensive players we have brought in, Anderson, Haller. Ajeti, Masuako. Balduena, Lanzini, their is no passion their just high wages.
I do believe Moyes is on the right track Bowen and Soucek excellent buys and good value too.

There is a lot of good players in the lower leagues and cheap too compared to oversees so called stars, who have never played in England who cannot adjust to the Enlish game. 3 teams will go down this year that's 60 odd players with premiership experience they are not all bad players.
Championship sides with outstanding players let's look at what's available here now before we look elsewhere, What do u think lads!


5.) 16 Jul 2020 06:21:51
I'm with you john on DIAGANA he's young and a trier and he's getting massive experience in the championship so I would keep him deffo. COYI.


6.) 16 Jul 2020 15:09:24
Bideford, I agree entirely👍I have been saying in so many posts for a long time, paying stupid money for overseas players with no Premiership experience and moving to a completely different country imo is extremely risky, we may have done ok in the past with some who are still proving to be good acquisitions, but to pay record amounts for the likes of Anderson and Haller have been at the moment imo the worst signings we have made and I would include Wilshere with them for the least value we have got back in return, English yes, but what a woeful injury record. ⚒⚒⚒.


7.) 17 Jul 2020 22:45:11
I’m ambivalent about Diangana - so far, for me, he’s been all tinsel and no Christmas.
If WBA have made him more substantial, I’d be happy to have him in the squad next year, now that we’re safe.


8.) 18 Jul 2020 22:10:46
Let’s not put haller in the failure bracket just yet!
His best performances are with 2/ 3 upfront so he has support, he has got goals in him. We should play haller and Antonio together for last two games to see how they go now the pressure is off.
As for Diangana I would sell for the right money, he had a good start with West Brom but not looked great last half dozen games.
At least we are now working as a unit, Moyes has got them well organised and looking forward to next season.


9.) 19 Jul 2020 19:20:43
I thought Grady diagrana showed speed and promise when he played the final ball lacked quality.


 

 

04 Jul 2020 09:22:27
Morning gents, looking forward to tomorrow's game, if we turn up the way turned up against Chelsea it will be a good game, take nothing away from the magpies, brucie has them playing well, and they will be flying high after the Bournemouth game. It's one of those for me, we need these points and should be looking to take them from these teams but at the same time they are most definitely worthy of the points themselves how they've been playing. So should be good. let's hope.
On another note the rumour pot is stirring AGAIN, rice to Chelsea, I think mount will be the bait for that one, really hope he stays tho. And also that we still want barkley, I think he would do well out our club, he's a very good player but sometimes with the players Chelsea have I think he's punching Above his weight sometimes. Be good to get him maybe, but definatly keep rice.

Whitbyhammer

1.) 04 Jul 2020 10:14:28
If we secure our place in the Prem in the next couple of games, Rice should be told he will be club captain next year. I think he can be persuaded to stay given the captaincy and a decent, appropriate hike in wages.


2.) 04 Jul 2020 16:35:24
Results going for us today so far, if Chelsea see off Watford tonight and if we could get 3 points at Newcastle tomorrow, although still mathematically possible for us to be relegated, it would need quite spectacular results to go against us⚒⚒⚒.


3.) 04 Jul 2020 21:27:19
Like you said we need points from the next 2 games we a bit of breathing space game after are Norwich and watford which could drag us back into mix.


 

 

 

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25 Sep 2020 21:29:20
Hi Ed, sorry to ask mate but is there any legs in this rice scenario that you know of?

Whitbyhammer

{Ed002's Note - I really don’t know what this scenario is.}


1.) 26 Sep 2020 12:53:11
If he actually was going to ask to leave do you believe he would go tell people first Whitby? Maybe a close friend, a person he trusts, but not the media. It is all speculation and maybe all planted by Chelsea if I was to be completely cynical to try to cause unrest.


2.) 26 Sep 2020 14:01:39
Sdl, I don’t believe anything in the papers until I see it for real, they all talk rubbish. I just thought if anyone has an idea it would be Ed he’s been spot on so far.


3.) 27 Sep 2020 02:47:52
Fair enough Whitby, and rightly so. I personally believe, without any evidence, that these type of stories are planted by the club looking to buy to unsettle the player or to try to get the club that owns the player to be ready to deal.


 

 

15 Sep 2020 06:35:54
Just a little message to say thanks to Ed for giving us the info, just read that an American consortium are looking at making an improved offer as a £350m takeover offer was rejected last month. Pretty much backing up what you have been saying bud, I know as you said this doesn't mean things will happen this season but it's good to know your info is bang on, hope some of the other rumours will start to fall in now. Cheers man ⚒⚒.

Whitbyhammer

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


1.) 15 Sep 2020 09:38:43
£350m?, I would imagine they would want nearer £600 knowing them.


2.) 15 Sep 2020 10:04:33
Morning Ed002, I know you have probably been over this but are the US consortium serious over WH buy out or is just a dip in the water with their offer to see where they stand

There seems to be more coverage in the papers about this, but maybe they just got the news where as u told us much earlier
Thank you in advance.

{Ed002's Note - It is probably a good time for this question and to update the previous post. Firstly, there are several groups circling premier league clubs with a view to buying. One is digital media distributer Henry Mauriss who is interested in buying Newcastle United if the deal with the Saudis falls through completely - he could also be persuaded that there is value in other clubs such as West Ham (but realistically the earliest they can be sold is 2021 and the 2023 is more likely) - Damien Comolli is doing the legwork for those involved.

James Pallotta has sold Roma and could look to another club - has interest in buying low, flipping and selling high.

The third is rather more "shark" like. Ex Bordeaux owner Joseph DaGrosa and Hugo Varela (who has work as an intermediary and run "for profit" soccer schools) have formed a business called Kapital Football with a view to emulating the City Group using Qatari money to back them. They tried to buy Newcastle as a starting point but that was always a non-starter - they would like a club that is a "lion waiting to roar" as their start and would also like it to be a Premier League club, possibly London based, with owners perhaps willing open to selling at a reasonable price - and that very much makes West Ham the most attractive. This would be known to Tripp Smith who may well be looking to increasing his 10% share to 30% which means he can make an offer for the entire club but to do that he would need the help of one of the owners. The covenant runs out in 2021 means that the owners can then sell the club if they wish. Smith would get a £10M discount offsetting his loan if and when that happens. If, however, the owners decide they do not want to sell they can easily block it using their combined 86% ownership.

A wildcard thought is that existing West Ham shareholder Tripp Smith could look to finding a partner (such as LA Rams shareholder Todd Boehly) to buy out the remainder of the West Ham shares.

Billy Beane is a self-confessed Liverpool supporter and owns much of the Oakland As and is the "moneyball" guru. But whilst FSG would like an investor to sell part of Liverpool to (particularly given their major financial issues at the moment), it is questionable where any of the high-profile expensive EPL sides has the growth potential of other sides across Europe. Clubs like Liverpool, Manchester United and Chelsea will see growth potential flatten out whilst the chance of growth remains elsewhere - and remember these folks are investing other people's money - not their own. Noteworthy is that the former Premier League chair Richard Scudamore has joined the board of Billy Beane’s RedBall Acquisition Corporation who have guarantees from investors circa $500M. That mean they have the investment funds to look to buy a decent club in mainland Europe or the lower end of the Premier League.

The one thing to remember with investors such as these is that they are looking for a return on investment - so they need to get growth in the value of the business - which could see investment into the business limited to some extent - think of the first 6 or 7 years of FSG at Liverpool and Klopp’s original selling point that he would build the club without buying expensive players – that of course eventually changed.

As for West Ham, I think that nothing can realistically happen until next year at the earliest after the covenant on the stadium starts to ease. However, it doesn’t mean that groundwork cannot be undertaken in advance.}


3.) 15 Sep 2020 11:10:20
Thx for the detail.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


4.) 15 Sep 2020 11:35:46
Cheers Ed, I wish you were my drinking buddy :),


5.) 15 Sep 2020 14:33:07
Warrington, who can blame them for wanting the biggest pay day when they do sell, you can only sell once, you can’t go back and ask for more after! When we moved Houses like most people, I told the agent I wanted more than his recommended asking price as I was expecting to be knocked down anyway!

The prospective buyer offered £10,000 less than my asking price, which would have been the same as agent suggested, so I was able to use the £10,000 towards the usual expenses! But that was 14 years ago, but the same common sense still applies.

Not rocket science I know but common sense! ⚒⚒⚒.


 

 

12 Sep 2020 22:01:14
Fornals needs to go he is terrible he may aswell of not been on the pitch. Poor performance all round to be fair. We need to get some new players in and shouldn't have sold Grady.

Whitbyhammer

 

 

05 Sep 2020 16:34:04
Oh my god we are crap, I finished work and started watching @ start of second half. Everyone looks rubbish, front to back, top to bottom. I am not a fan of fornals at all. Fredrick and cresswell need to be sold or released terrible and they both blame everyone else. Didn't see first half but by this half awful.

Whitbyhammer

1.) 05 Sep 2020 17:42:31
It wasn’t that bad. Billing played well when he came on. Oh, hang on a minute.


2.) 05 Sep 2020 19:03:03
Disgraceful performance but considering what's going on behind the scenes is it any surprise.


 

 

20 Jul 2020 22:43:27
I am very intrigued as know what Moyes will do if one, we stay up, and two if he gets the job which in my opinion I think he deserves it. As to who he will clear out sell or just boot out. And who he has his eye on regarding the buying side of things, wether he will bring back hugill and Diangana. One of you guys put a very intresting and in depth player sort out last time and a lot of the guys on the potential sign list I was personally thinking about. Dunno what you guys think.

Whitbyhammer

1.) 21 Jul 2020 00:27:32
Hopefully he has already been involved in discussions on the gaps we have and planning hasn't been left to the Davids as I fear it might have been. It's clear we need to get Soucek deal done and look for another central midfielder and some fullbacks. Will dpened on who leaves to how much other business we can do.


 

 

 

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24 Sep 2020 12:34:57
Don’t know what truth is in it but in the paper talk on sky it said that sully has said to a tabloid that there is little chance of us making any signings. So god knows.

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03 Sep 2020 18:07:15
Ed is like the oracle, if he says things will happen then I believe things will happen, it’s hard to be patient, because things are confusing at the minute I personally wouldn’t sell Grady but if there’s no other interest at the moment that’s concrete then what can u do. In Ed we trust lol 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻.

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29 Aug 2020 13:55:28
I for one will be well cheesed off if he goes most definatley if he wants to hand a request in. For me, if it was me I couldn’t do it, they let me go when I was a kid I would be like stuff em, people love me here and I could be special here. Yeah I understand wanting trophies etc but there’s none of these player in this generation like noble that want to work for the club and make the club challenge other higher teams and think I want this club to be a club that we push to get a trophy with. Maybe I am in a dreamland but hand on heart if it was me I would want to stay and do it where I am wanted and where the fans want me.
But now a days it’s all about money, I loved playing played Saturday n Sunday had a trial with Leeds when I was young and one with boro, ( I know I know we’ve all had trials lol ) but I played for a team I loved and loved the banter and the lads but we had bigger teams in our leagues who asked me to sign but I always thought why when I won’t play as much and they won’t appreciate me as much. I know it’s two massively different worlds but it’s the same I guess in a very very small way. I would love him to stay and be the captain, the driver off this club that I love, screw Chelsea they kicked u to the curb once don’t let them do it again or give them a chance.
COME ON YOU IRONS.

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24 Aug 2020 22:08:37
Wow cheers Ed that’s amazing bit of info, if he goes back to Lazio then we are going to lose some serious cash on him, shame really but with current goings on the way football is it’s a case of Like it or lump it.
Thanks for the update Ed. ⚒⚒.

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24 Aug 2020 18:53:51
Cheers Ed nice one, hopefully you will be giving us good news about a couple a signings soon or departures fingers crossed? Just a quick on, is there any interest in Anderson from anyone, and do you know if he is with the squad in Scotland?

Whitbyhammer

{Ed002's Note - Felipe Anderson (W/AM) citing not being given the freedom to play where he wants Anderson wants a move back to Lazio. Moyes wants him gone and West Ham have given him permission to speak with other clubs. West Ham have been hit hard by the pandemic and need to get the best return they can on the player - Lazio will be looking for a bargain. Too expensive right now.

I don't know where he is right now.}


 

 

 

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30 Sep 2020 21:36:19
Terrible tonight I turned it off. Rice poor noble really needs to be a bench player now, I love the guy but now is the time to be a bit part player. No subs made makes no sense when nothing is really working at 2-1 / 3-1 I don’t understand it we as fans would love a cup win if not a good cup run, well speaking for myself that is. Just a bit disappointed from tonight to be honest. Calvert lewin is a great player and will probably get into england squad but we didn’t help matters. Let’s hope we get back on track against Leicester 🙏🏻🙏🏻⚒.

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30 Sep 2020 09:55:13
No this won’t be a good deal at all mate. Rudiger should not be bought loaned approached by us, the guy is not a good footballer at all. And if Chelsea want rid of him that’s saying sumat. If you have not watched him play then once you do it will become clear. Massive no, stay away from him. Knowing my luck we will get him and he will play well but I can’t see it at all.

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27 Sep 2020 15:25:40
Cheers Ed, so far the voice of reason and grounding down of these evil rumours. For now at least 👍🏻.

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{Ed002's Note - West Ham are expecting on.}


 

 

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27 Sep 2020 13:47:47
Do you have anymore information Ed?

Whitbyhammer

{Ed002's Note - There has been no offer made by Chelsea at this time.}


 

 

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27 Sep 2020 12:49:36
I’m still not sure about all of this rice rumour. I like many do not want him to leave, but at the end of the day if the isn’t happy what can you do, you can only offer him so much to try get him to stay. As for the three player swap deal, I don’t know what rice is on wage wise. But u can be sure if we took the three or any three (not Rudiger for the love of god, anyone who thinks he can play best start to watch a new sport, he is in a word crap) I digress, but if we took three in a swap deal surely the wage scenario would be a nightmare. I know people will be saying if we get any players the wage bill will go up, but let’s face it they will be on high wages at Chelsea, and they will want the same if not more because at the end of the day players get greedy. If he does go then we need to get as much money as possible from the, if the right player is available then so be it. But as SDL said in another post unless we see it happen then just keep the tabloids crap at a distance. Either way, COYI, let’s have a performance tonight and make a statement wether rice plays or not that screw the press, let’s get on with the job at present.

Whitbyhammer

{Ed002's Note - There is no option to swap Rice for Abraham, Barkley and Loftus Cheek.}