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24 Sep 2015 10:48:36
Being battle hardened West Ham fans, we kind of expect the masochism of the roller coaster ride, followed by our deserved and earned right to bitch and moan about it. But I for one thought this season will be different (at least after the man city game). Now like every year comes the doubt.

We were absolutely abismal in Europe and yes I know we put out second string teams etc, but many of these players are our backups! We have lost to bournemouth and Leicester at home where we were poor, we have lost to Leicester reserves away. So what does this tell us? have we peaked?

Are we really as good as we think? Let's be honest, we have had some fantastic results with deserved plaudits from all quarters, but equally none of us can deny we have also had some luck, or even a lot of luck! The only game where we have outplayed the opposition is against Newcastle and let's be fair they are a very poor side this year. So I think Norwich is a big game for us, and for me a must win as it is a game we should dominate. We have scored in every fixture and our conversion rate is an unsustainable 20%.

Personally I think we have to set up to attack not counter attack and we have the players to do this.We need options we cannot be predictable. All said and done, come Saturday evening we will all either be exercising our right to moan or still enjoying the high of the West Ham roller coaster!


1.) 24 Sep 2015 12:45:15
Agreed and I for one want to enjoy the rollercoaster ride for as long as I can. There is no doubt we've had our fair share of luck, but how many other teams will go to Emirates, Anfield and Etihad and come away with 3 points? With possibly our hardest fixtures of the season out the way let's just see if we can push on and get some consistency.

I would suggest that the only way we will do this would be to keep the same starting 11, even if this means leaving Carroll on the bench.

There was a marked difference against Leicester the other night with Carroll and Zarate and not for the better (Ok, Zarate scored a deflected goal). At the back we look shaky with Collins in and not as convincing as we were previously.

I'd like to see Tomkins back at RB and drop Jenkinson who I'm not convinced about this season

2.) 24 Sep 2015 14:19:14
I'd like to see us go with 2 up top for the home games against the teams lower in the league I'd play Carroll and sakho off him with payet and moses on the flanks tbh we defiantly need a plan b and for me Carroll provides that perfectly he hasn't played for a while but if he can get fit he can be a good player again for us I think and of course later in the season we still have valencia to come back aswell

3.) 25 Sep 2015 00:12:40
I don't think we have had a lot of luck this season, or put it another way, you make your own luck in life? At Emirates we were fantastic and Arsenal were not in it at all. No luck. Anfield, well Lanzini chase down the defender, made his own luck, we scored, but the other 2 goals no luck. Manchester City, well we knew they would bombard us in that match, so they trained for that, they saw it through. Some of the ricochets were a bit fortunate not to go in, but we had chances to score more, well a score draw on luck here.

Leicester & Bournemouth, well nothing went our way, and anything we did wrong, the opponents scored, things went their way. Leicester 1st goal, Adrian great save, bounces to their player, (bad luck), they score. I think a lot of bad luck against us, overall.

For me, there's not a lot of luck at all. Just brilliant play from a highly engaged, positive Team that wants to create history. coyi.

4.) 25 Sep 2015 10:38:12
Agree completely with Brooking, amazing start to the season for my mighty West Ham United. Should have had one stonewall penalty and potentially another in the cup game so we can't complain about the outcome, we were outplayed but some could say were robbed. Anyway onto Norwich, nothings easy in the premier league, everyone beats everyone, its been like that for a few seasons now. I hope for 3 points, would just about settle for 1 and clearly won't be happy coming away from Upton Park with a loss tomorrow! COYI

5.) 25 Sep 2015 13:04:37
Well said Brooking I think we're going to have a great season there is clearly a change in the attitude and the confidence of the players and sb has done a great job so far and long my it continue COYI

6.) 25 Sep 2015 16:51:10
Exactly right Brooking . I didn't see any luck involved with the Liverpool game . just a well executed counter attacking game where we played em off the park

7.) 27 Sep 2015 12:10:49
I don't see any luck in it, I see we play a compact style, get back are set out well and play out fast on the break. Great when we play the better teams but when we are the home team or the favored team we don't have a plan b where we can dominate the game or put pressure on higher up the park. We will come unstuck as one trick ponies too often and we need to find a passing game that puts pressure on the lower sides in the league and those around us or we will quickly slip down to mid table and beyond.



22 Sep 2015 22:31:00
Is it me, or was that reminiscent of a few weeks ago? We looked a poor second! So what conclusions can we draw from that performance? Team strong, well almost. different formation, didn't work. Oh I know, we were tired that's it! all we be fine Saturday!


1.) 23 Sep 2015 00:13:12
Something about the back line, but they were magnificent on Saturday, not so tonight. What could cause that in 3 days. Ok, they would be tired, I would have rested a few more and put the Seconds in, along with Carroll, Zarate, Collins, Randolph, Kouyate, it could have been a tidy team, I think Leicester put a Seconds in? There was no Vardy for instance.

I suppose it sent a statement that we want to win a trophy, but do fret they'll have confidence knocked now, as they were stronger outfit and they'll be tired on Saturday, or maybe the Premier is not being targeted? Like we are 3rd, we can't win it, so let's make sure we don't slip far and try to win a Cup? Thing is, I definitely think with Bilic we can sneak up on the outside and do something we never have in the Premier.on balance, I am glad we are out, I see it a bit like the Europa, a bit of a drain, my dream is the Premier.

2.) 23 Sep 2015 09:02:29
Got to agree with all the above. Not quite sure why we were playing pinball which led to the first goal?? A clear penalty denied and a great header by Andy King beat us, but something was missing. Tiredness very possibly, but nobody said this was going to be easy. Leicester a hard draw home or away but all in all we can hopefully put it right on Saturday by destroying Norwich. let's face it guys, league has to come first and if a cup comes along so be it and beaten by a good Leicester side is no shame. COYI. Still not sure about Carroll with the way we currently play and prefer Sakho

3.) 23 Sep 2015 10:01:34
TBH I'd rather we had a quick hard working forward than AC

4.) 23 Sep 2015 16:26:13
I have to agree with Si1966. Different formation didn't work and although Zarate scored, him and carroll up front don't offer the same as SAKHO and Payet.
I know its hard to do and we have to bring other players in from the bench but I feel that AC is going to be a bit part player this season and he'll go at the end of the season. I see ZAZA wants to join either West Ham or Arsenal in January on loan!!

5.) 24 Sep 2015 09:54:04
All good comments and points made.
AC didn't do it for me and I don't believe that changing the team formation had too much to do with it. After all, Leicester also made an awful lot of changes and still ran all over us in many stages of the game.
However, just like the rest of you, the Carling cup is no biggie for me, although I would like to see us give it a good go in the FA cup.



02 Sep 2015 10:12:50
Morning Mike, do we know what our total spend was? Did we get a loan fee for Jarvis?
Great work by the way, let's hope your site still gets a lot of traffic during non transfer periods!


1.) 02 Sep 2015 10:42:33
HI fellas, well I was just getting around to add together the figures spent during the window , and let's see how the budget worked out in the end, Payet 10,7m, Ogbonna 8,5 obiang 4,3m, Antonio 6,5m Jelavic2m. Hendrie 1m Loans jenkinson 1,6 m Lanzini 500,00. Moses 2,5m equals 37,6m, plus disbursement 20% totals approx 45m less, fee for downing 5,5 m equals 39,5m plus payout for nolans 1,5 m equals 41m, , less Jarvis loan fee, ( not yet confirmed ) 500,000, Also, I now understand No fee was recieved for maiga, he left on afree, but took with him a payoff , which again not yet established, but I believe it will cancel out Jarvis fee, Therefore the budget estimate spend in the end was 41 m, AS you know my own budget estimates were originally 42m, NOT A BAD GUESS, as it turned out, and just 1m OUT! And far away from that 25m figure banded about beforehand by DGS, anyway, that's that, obviously there may be one or two going out on loan , but it's not going to make a lot of difference now to these figures, GREAT JOB, let's hope all the newbies blend in well, and by the time the injuries come back we have the foundation of a great squad, let's hope it's not only on paper! IRONMIKE

{Ed002's Note - It might be an apt time to explain again about the cost of transfers (excluding wages). What is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £40M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24 and moving between different football associations, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays).
(b) If the player moves to a higher category club (all clubs being categorised 1 to 4) then Training Compensation is due for the period of age 12 to 21. Compensation is due to all clubs when the player turns from amateur to professional and thereafter only when he moves from his final training club to another club. The initial training compensation is levied at the training costs associated with Category 4 clubs. The subsequent figure is agreed between the sides or tribuneral if necessary.
(c) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(d) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).
(e) Any money contractually due to a previous club as the result of a sell-on clause.

2.) 02 Sep 2015 12:07:44
How much was the option to buy with lanzini?

3.) 03 Sep 2015 08:46:23
Yes Mike indeed you have proven to be totally on the mark on the number I have no idea how you could be so spot on, well done.

I do think the ds £25m was a ruse to avoid flagging to clubs we are buying so the prices double. This morning am seeing they are quoting Payet as being worth £30m more & if you compare to Alexis ozil maybe there is a point there. Waiting until final minute makes sense all smart negotiation & trumped Levy who's got a player £5.2 wages Adebayor who's not part of their future! How rough it will be in that dressing room! He earns 3x what I do & he's not doing much! Glad we did not get & also Barton would have been disruptive IMO. Nolan jarvis maiga good to accept the losses & move on. Board done well.

The last piece is not everyone can play so bilic will need to show man management to keep them all onside & what I see so far he's definitely the man. Plus Jelavic he can get bit more out of him, it's all looking blue skies let's do Man C 3 massive away wins in a row!



01 Sep 2015 11:08:12
Standard are reporting that the spuds are cancelling adebayor contract and paying him off! Leaving adebayor a free agent. If we want him this effectively means we don't deal with the spuds but equally as a free agent he is not restricted by deadline and therefore in a position to negotiate with all clubs after deadline who may be more flexible if they missed other targets. Good business for him!


1.) 01 Sep 2015 11:23:53
Unless he takes a big wage drop can't see us signing him for 100 grand a week to be honest even if he is a free agent

2.) 01 Sep 2015 11:32:22
But if the spuds pay off his contract or half of it then we have options, if we want him although what is the point?



01 Sep 2015 09:43:13
Ironmike or eds, what is our loan limit? Sources (various newspapers so probably rubbish) stating after Moses we are at our limit. Therefore anyone else coming in will have to be permanent including adebayor if we want him


{Ed002's Note - The limit that matters is the domestic limit of two. The international loans are very different in nature as the in the majority of cases use the exemption (that also applies to domestic loans) of a "to buy" clause.}




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12 Sep 2016 20:42:31
I really struggle to understand some of these comments here. One minute we have the greatest team of all time and we all say how fantastic we are, we have one or two bad games and then we get, noble is not good enough, when last year we got "noble should be in England squad, similar comments re Reid Collins Bryam etc. And the funniest of all that Bilic should go! I mean do we all have such short memories? We have injuries, and we are not playing well either, but let's not be so negative it will come right. Yes we played very well in the first 35 mins in attack, but looked really dodgy at the back all game. As others have said we need to sort the defence, and defence starts from the front.
On the subject of standing; if you don't like the rules don't go, no one is forcing you. But don't ruin it for others because you are. You don't care for your club or your fellow supporters, you care only for yourself. I have the misfortune of having some of these idiots a few rows in front of me, and they are big and brave until a steward comes near, then they sit down like naughty schoolboys. Unfortunately their are some kids that sit near them who are clearly scared by these idiots. They left the ground in tears at half time. The kids with their parents unfortunately not the idiots. Must make these individuals very happy!
On West Ham supporters who fight each other put them somewhere on an island and let them cleanse the gene pool. Proper West Ham fans are known for their friendliness banter and intelligence (although not necessarily all together)
And finally on the low life who spat, I hope they find you, I hope you get banned from every sporting ground in the world and I hope they publicise your name!


1.) 13 Sep 2016 08:42:06
Hi Si966

Absolutely bang on. These mindless idiots don;t care that's why. At the Boleyn we had a family area. Does anyone know where it is now.



25 Aug 2016 22:50:59
Forced to comment for first time in ages. No we didn't win and we didn't look like scoring either, especially with their goal keeper having a terrific game. Totally disagree with you Mike on Calleri, yes he has missed a couple of sitters in the last games but he has come from a league where they have more time, so I think he will settle given time. His movement was fantastic and on numerous occasions he made good runs and found space. Unfortunately we simply didn't have the quality to find him. Byram ain't ready period. No first touch and lacks awareness of what is round him. Reid always makes mistakes and is not on form, he should be told he can't dribble, pass it to someone who can. Problem in a nutshell tonight no creativity. Burke out of position and his confidence must be shot, he was responsible for the goal and without his error they couldn't have scored in a brothel. Positives as Mike says we could have a decent season, but will Zaza sign if we are out of Europe? Valencia is not a premier league player too fragile so get rid, Flecher looks quality.


1.) 25 Aug 2016 23:15:28
I disagree the goal wasn't burke fault there were 3 players both CBS and nordveit back that all got drawn to the ball not one picked up the goalscorer who was left on his own.

2.) 26 Aug 2016 10:19:34
I'm with Robbo there, if anyone has to take credit for that it HAS to be Tore.



02 Dec 2015 10:13:35
Well it looks like another long term injury for DS, but whilst he has played well this year he has not been prolific in front of goal!
So is this the time to play to the strengths of AC, change our style of play as I don't think we have any other options. Let's play Moses and Antonio on the wings with Lanzini behind AC, because let's be honest we need to do something! We are running out of players to be choosy as to how we want to play, let's just get some results, whatever it takes.
I am still also unconvinced by Zarate, yes he scored a stunning free kick, but he is selfish and loses the ball way too much.
Having said or that are we all really surprised by the last 4 games? We are after all, West Ham fans - we live in hope!


1.) 02 Dec 2015 10:50:36
Hi Si, we are not surprised, but what gets me is the lack of effort and the "cruising" behaviour of some of the players. Particularly Watford away, shocking, Tottenham away, worse. It costs a lot of money to get to these kinds of games, sorry, I expect a lot more. At least running around trying to win and battle, not roll over.

It's not as if they can't do it, early away days were brilliant.

The defence has been good, but prone to massive errors which cost games. Ok, we are missing Payet, that's very hard, but Bilic said we are not just Payet, but maybe we are.



14 Oct 2015 09:40:49
What is gong on with our ladies team? 6 now left due to falling out with the manager, thrashed 8-1 in latest game! I hear the club now give some support to the ladies, but nothing like Arsenal, Chelsea or man city, all at top of the league! Come on West Ham sort this out, we are in the 21st century and clearly women's football is growing at a phenomenal pace, let's not get left behind!




14 Oct 2015 09:35:35
Does anyone know how our new training facility is progressing. I was just reading comments from our old friend Sam who is comparing his new training facility at Sunderland with chadwell Heath. We all know that our current facility is in the dark ages compared to most premier league clubs, I know we bought rush green but I am interested to find out how we are progressing with this?





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22 Sep 2015 11:08:16
I think we miss a point here, we are all talking about playing the way we currently play, counter stacking football. Sooner rather than later teams will find a way to stop us. Carroll gives us options to play a different style, a different formation. Makes us as a team unpredictable. Also we will need to rest players or deal with specific injuries. So I think we will see Carroll used in various systems and at various times. Sometimes as an impact sub other times in a 4-4-2 from the start. Played this way he may last longer than a few games without injury and be happy and accept this role!




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01 Sep 2015 12:27:35
But boy does that humble pie taste good right now!!




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01 Sep 2015 11:57:47
As was said before patience is a good thing, but we all feel passionate so no one blames you. Dgs are good businessmen!




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01 Sep 2015 11:38:44
They value Tonks at £5m and stones is valued at £35m, enough said me thinks




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01 Sep 2015 11:32:22
But if the spuds pay off his contract or half of it then we have options, if we want him although what is the point?





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22 Sep 2015 11:18:45
Totally agree with you Mike, and I don't believe the crap written at all, but wouldn't it be nice if they did get punished?they would soon clean up their act. We all know how naive and gullible some of us fans are! Of course it is an unrealistic request, just my hope in this ridiculous financially driven sport that we are all addicted to!




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19 Sep 2015 19:36:00
Thanks for the explanation Mike! Just calming down now after that s cond half. Fantastic!!