22 Oct 2024 15:10:43
Any substance to the German Sky rumour of JLop being replaced by Edin Terzic?

1.) 22 Oct 2024
22 Oct 2024 16:58:45
Mentioned him in Saturday night post underneath, he’s got quality Steidten knows him well, and he ran BVB very well, there are some things to consider firstly, no clubs went for him in close season? And would he fancy West Ham, and no doubt he would have to stick with majority of players we have already, owing to cash restraints.

it would be a big call, but listen Loppy is lost, so if a reasonable deal can be done, why not, to be frank I have been at all our games so far, and apart from possession stats, and we are playing a little further forward at the back, can’t see any other difference to last season, can you?

2.) 23 Oct 2024
23 Oct 2024 03:17:00
Sad to say it, but JLop appears to be another Moyes in disguise. I can’t understand why all these people are saying that JLop should be given time. Just how long do you want to give him? To my mind, it’s plainly obvious he’s not only clueless, but he’s also lost the dressing room. That position is irretrievable. He has to go now before the season is lost.
Terzic knows the club, and he can’t be any worse than Moyes 1 and 2. If we don’t get our skates on, he might end up in Milan. Trouble is, we have a complete idiot majority shareholder who thinks he’s a general and wears badges to prove it! Need I say more?

3.) 23 Oct 2024
23 Oct 2024 11:22:01
Unless we are extraordinarily, lucky come Sunday, I just don’t see were the goals are coming from, said the Same since the window, totally ridiculous to spend all that money in the knowledge, that all you have is one injury prone striker, one striker way past his time, and one striker. Who never should have been signed in the first place, just total nuts, , whatever arrangements will be made, and they surety will, it’s still 10 weeks till we can actually play new strikers, If we carry on like this we are going to drop to the bottom, it takes courage to make changes, MR SULLIVAN, going to have to find some

4.) 23 Oct 2024
23 Oct 2024 15:12:14
I think we are close to embarrasing ourselves as a fanbase by how many people are calling for J-Lop out so early on. It shows how little some people know about football, and the intricacies and minor margins involved at thsi high level.
Using like for like fixtures (the best way to judge season progression in points vs previous years, as it factors in dificulty of fixtures somewhat) J-Lop so far has the same points as Moyes had in his last 2 seasons, and better or equal goal differnece. Pundits love to say how good Moyse was and be "careful what you wish for" but completely leave out this measure, becasue it un-does their argument that Moyes was doing well or that we should not want to progress or attack more. It also gets them clicks and hype, which is ultimately what they really want.
We have to note that J-Lop is taking over a team that got just 40 points in 22/23 and just 16 points from their last 16 games in 23/24 under Moyse, a relegation team in relegation battle form. Since taking over, 75% of our back line has been replaced along with part of our midfield, our club captain sold for a second year running, our most effetive playmaker is out of sorts mentally it seems, there has been lots of personnell change in the dressing room, and we have still not got a striker or had the chance to use the one we did buy (transfer success is a different topic, not J-Lopr responsibility)
He is also completely changing the way we played under Moyes, and we must expect this change to happen GRADUALLY as we are not going to suddenly be his end product team. He is clearly changing the way we defend fundamentally, and this is hard to do in the lower leagues let alone the PL where the margins are SO very close and teams punish mistakes. Add the fact he is trying to change a Moyes team that would have been drilled and drilled and drilled to their core in a certain way, enough to drive out creativity and make us want Moyes out. Moyes tried last year to be more expansive last year and his team conceded the most we ever have in a PL season, I would have loved Moyse to make us more attacking, but he couldn't unfortunatey and 23/24 proved it. It is hard to change the mentality and instincts of players at all, let alone in just seven game weeks agasint of whcih 4 are against teams in the top seven!
We have seen some big errors by players and i expect them to learn from them and improve GRADUALLY, and J-Lop has a also made some tactical errors too. We should expext this though when a manager is learning a new team and making fundamental changes, and players learn a new style. Ex-player pundits know this, but chose not to talk about it because it makes for good media business when fans get all riled up. Youtubers also use this hype it to get clicks, and fundamentally them doing this is a detriment to the club as it creates negativity. But hey, it gets them clicks even if its to the detriment of the club they "support" . good for them.
To say J-Lop has lost the dressing room is so naive in my opinion, i see no solid evidence of this, so please provide it if you have. And don't just point at a few incidences where there may have been words said in frustration after a game or something, real dressing room loss is multiple players down tooling and that is not evident at all.
Klop got 60 points with Liverpool in his first season, Arteta got 56 for Arsenal, in todays standards both of those resulst is considered sackable for for those teams, yet look where those managers got to. How many Arsenal fans called for Arteta to get sacked and that he didn't know what he was doing, and look at them now. We HAVE to have patience, not get caught up in hype and gaslighting, and see how it pans out after 20 games minimum. The fact some fans are where they are after 7 games is getting embarrasing.
J-Lop was not my first choice, but as a SUPPORTER i will try and be positive and support the team/manager and say how we could be better/improve rather than start to say sack the manager, especially while they have hardly had time to get their teeth into this transition. If i was just a FOLLOWER of West Ham then yeah, maybe i'd just get caught in the hype. A supporter would support encourage and try to instill belief into the team/manager like they would their son in the juniour leagues. A follower will be quick to criticise, point fingers and complain.
Rant over

5.) 23 Oct 2024
23 Oct 2024 16:41:38
I think you make some really good points nicknho-10. Like you and probably 99% of people on here, I didn’t want JLo and am still far from sure if he will be a decent manager for us. His tactics in a few of the games have been unbelievably bad. Hopefully he is not pig headed enough to not learn by his mistakes. I am not sure we have the quality of players in midfield to play how he wants us to. There is only a certain amount of training you can do to improve players. And if it is the case that we don’t have the quality in those positions then you need to look at the recruitment. The striker position as stated by joyful is a joke.
Many people want this guy Tezic that was part of bilic’s side. Whilst Bilic’s first season was absolutely brilliant our best since the boys of 86, the second season was appalling and has since showed himself to be totally clueless as a league manager, great guy but crap manager. Maybe his side kick would be good but this guy deserves a chance. I refer again to the Bournemouth manager and the start he had which made JLos look like champions league form. But they stuck with him and now they are doing great even better than Eddie Howe did. Another one people wanted was Fonseca, who within weeks was absolutely hated by Milan fans. Then we have Glasner who did really well at the end of last season and people on here were saying how we missed a trick! I’m not so sure now!
As I have said maybe this guy isn’t the right man for the job but you have to give people a fair chance, or we are going to start sounding like Chelsea or Man U fans.

6.) 23 Oct 2024
23 Oct 2024 19:14:07
Sorry, but I can’t agree with some of the things said here. JLop has been in post 5 MONTHS today. I have seen no sign of any major changes in the style of play and my evidence of his lack of ideas is based on his consecutive team selections and his total lack of tactical changes when games cry out for them. These are not odd occurrences, but seem to be the norm under this coach. I’m sorry, but I’ve had enough of giving our last two head coaches “time to turn things around.” That attitude is the very reason why we never seem to move on, and it’s nothing to do with one’s “understanding of football”. It’s basic common sense.

7.) 23 Oct 2024
23 Oct 2024 19:24:35
I see what you are trying to put over, BUT firstly for the main part, we have brought in quality players all experienced people, professionals before they came to West Ham, not ours or another teams kids, it’s the managers job to blend and instruct them, we see little of that.

Loppy got the two players he wanted the most, and Steidten discussed every other purchase thoroughly with him and Sullivan, plus Brady, of course, he did NOT go out on a, solo mission, 4 players that were originally wanted went elsewhere, but alternates were agreed upon before purchases were made, so responsibility is shared.

you mention other managers in the past, , and in context you are correct, but none performed as badly as we have for sure, problem is if you leave Loppy in position, for another 10 games, will another manager have sufficient time and games to sort us out, that’s the problem Nickinho

8.) 24 Oct 2024
24 Oct 2024 01:19:53
I’ve now heard from two separate sources, both very reliable in the past and both connected to the club, that the board are showing strong interest in and talking to a Premiership manager who is currently in post with a Premiership club. This particular manager would want greater control than just being a chief coach, and that would put Tim Steidten in a vulnerable position. By all accounts, Sullivan is not that impressed with Steidten. My guess is that the manager in question is Thomas Frank. I bloody well hope so. Watch this space.

9.) 24 Oct 2024
24 Oct 2024 05:45:26
Well it's started . Whetstone is trying to throw steitden under the bus . No doubt under the instruction of the dwarf shyster .

10.) 24 Oct 2024
24 Oct 2024 07:30:28
The appointment of JLop was a Sullivan decision, allegedly despite objections by several members of the board and him not being the first choice of any supporter. It is obvious that the decision was a mistake. Sullivan is clearly now desperately going to find a scapegoat to take the blame. It’s in his DNA. Steidten is the obvious candidate.

11.) 24 Oct 2024
24 Oct 2024 11:27:41
Of course, if we leave it until the New Year to “give JLop time”, and he fails, by definition that means we will be facing yet another relegation battle and we will need a “fire brigade” type manager. Bang goes the opportunity to appoint a progressive manager. That is another good reason why the board needs to act now and get shot of this millstone of a coach. Or is that also not thinking about the intricacies and minor margins involved at this high level?

12.) 24 Oct 2024
24 Oct 2024 15:18:33
Hammer-D you make good points with Fonseca, Glasner and even Iraola. Even more examples of what i am trying to say, we HAVE to give reasonable time to managers, especially when so much change is underway.
I see no opportunity for a progressive manager right now, who is available? Nobody of any decent pedegree, and none would want to come here if they only have 5-7 games to prove themselves before some fans turn on them, and especially none that a majority of fans want whom is realistic. To add more to this point, a club should NEVER base a manager decision on fan opinion, that would make us a joke club. We could roll the dice on someone who is the next Pep, but if they have a bad start then the sack gang will be bouncing off walls and asking for them to be sacked after 5-7 games aslo.
I am NOT saying J-Lop is the great massaih we have been waiting for, but you do not get the Real Madrid or Spain jobs lightly, and he deserves time and support from fans. I believe the first 3rd of the season is the WORST we will see us under J-Lop, and we are still performing at 43+ points a season currently and i expect over time he will get us doing better, yet fans panis. We have played 4 of the top seven, and 2 of the others have been in form teams in Fulham (away) and Brentford (away) of which both we drew. What games did you honestly EXPECT more from results wise?
You honestly underestimate how hard it is to change the ethos in a team after a manager like Moyes and his drill drill drill approach. Even Declan said that he realised how little he really knew about football until he worked under Arteta, so imagine trying to change 11-15 plpayers from that Moyes mould. Some fans really do not comprehend the difficulty there, and simply expect it to be done in just 5 games.
J-Lopp makes changes all the time, and thankfully he does them earlier than Moyse ever did, i see that as a positive upgrade, if you don't see that then have your eyes checked. If they have not worked yet then how much of that could be down to player errors, I doubt you even consider that as you just point finger at a manager. I accept players and manager could make errors, and allow for these after so few games, they will hopefully learn and get better, but you won't know if you do not give them time. I agree he got it ALL wrong vs Chelsea, but again there were huge individual errors there that need to be addressed and coached out over time.
I fully expected mid table fluctuation this year given all we are trying to do.
You call for a new manager, but firstly who? and secondly, it is just as possible that a new manager now could start badly and plunge us into an actual relegation battle. What would you say in December if we had a new manager now and we are still only 4 points from relegation? Would you be consistent and call for the sack AGAIN.

13.) 24 Oct 2024
24 Oct 2024 19:33:20
No matter who the manager, or when, I will always push for his removal if he’s the wrong man for the job.

14.) 24 Oct 2024
24 Oct 2024 20:42:53
About time people started calling Tinlegs out on his utter nonsense regularly posted. It’s never specific, the posts contain vague generic statements. He never makes positive suggestions, or even suggestions. Constantly calling for managers heads and talks like he is an authority on the subject.

15.) 25 Oct 2024
25 Oct 2024 11:31:08
? Hello mate! It’s been a while. I was wondering when you would reappear under a new identity with personal attacks. Welcome back! ?

16.) 25 Oct 2024
25 Oct 2024 11:35:14
"No matter who the manager, or when, I will always push for his removal if he’s the wrong man for the job"
You forget that this is only YOUR OPINION, which could be wrong, and is based on 6-8 games, against predominantly good opposition, and voicing these kinds of opinions only brings negativity to the club and makes situations worse and harder for players and manager.

Its already clearly proven (with 3 recent PL case studies) that managers can get off to poor starts and still turn out to be very successful despite a minority of fans calling for them to be sacked (who were all proven WRONG) . You are entitled to your opinions, but it baffles me why any supporter would want to cast such negativitiy and pressure onto the club they support so early into a manger's time when they know they COULD be wrong, and are basing those opinions and incredibly early assessments on such a small sample size.

We all support the same club so I am confident that we all want what we THINK is best for it, but all this current sack hype does is make the situation worse. If we are the 12th man for our club then we should be supporting it and getting behind players and the manager. Keep your opinion, its valid, but turn it into positivity if you want to voice it at such an early stage, and try to support the club rather than undermine it. In the early stages of change we should create an atmosphere of belief and positivity, not criticism and negativity.

17.) 25 Oct 2024
25 Oct 2024 14:10:49
I totally agree. I can only give my opinion, and that is exactly what I’ve been doing. If you read my posts back to the time of JLop’s appointment, although he was not my choice, I gave him my support and it’s only recently that I’ve come to the conclusion that enough is enough and he should go. That despite major reservations over his team selections and substitutions. But there must come a time when patience expires, and for me that time is now. I cannot see any signs of improvement. In fact, in some ways, I think we are worse off, even after spending around £155 million! I’m sure I’m not alone in this opinion, but a certain contributor goes out of his way to single me out and turn this into a personal attack. I don’t mind because no amount of insults will change my opinion. I will continue to give my opinion, be it right or wrong (none of us are perfect), about a club I love and have supported man and boy for 61 years.

18.) 25 Oct 2024
25 Oct 2024 14:48:50
Oh and Caligula (or whatever you call yourself now), you can stop checking your own ‘agree’ box on your post now. It looks too obvious. ?

19.) 25 Oct 2024
25 Oct 2024 15:57:58
I have no idea what your talking about mate. Long term reader first time poster.

20.) 25 Oct 2024
25 Oct 2024 15:59:32
Tin legs, obviously I am in broad. Agreement with you but, Nickinho, the point is this? When is it enough games played for you? 15/20 /25 games in? I have been watching WH for many, many years as well, I do not regard myself as a great tactician, or strategist, I am sat a dozen rows behind our bench, and myself and mates cannot work out what Loppy is doing or shouting out during the games, he’s not connecting for sure with the team, in a way I hope Tin legs and myself are wrong, and that we beat Man U on Sunday, and go on a winning streak and get many points , but I just don’t see it, you are entitled to your opinion, and I am giving you mine after 8 league plus 2 cup equals 10 games played, it’s been poor, we have apart from Guilherme and Fulkrug, many players who. Could play elsewhere in premier league, it’s a decent squad but lacking strikers, we must be able though to do better. Than we have so far, on the money spent ratio table, WH should be in or around 8 th position, doesn’t look like Loppy is getting the best out of our players

21.) 25 Oct 2024
25 Oct 2024 20:22:20
Actually, I think we stand a decent chance of beating Man Utd. It all depends on the starting XI and how he sets us up, plus the players’ attitude on the day. Man Utd and ten Hag have also got a point to prove, so it’s difficult to call. Who knows?

22.) 25 Oct 2024
25 Oct 2024 21:38:56
Agreed, but Bowen apart where are the goals coming from? Watching Forest at the moment, they have massively improved, that’s going to be tough, game, we are Playing them shortly, for me we are playing well short of potential can Loppy sort it out, according to some of our fans on here, he can, I hope they are right, we shall see

23.) 25 Oct 2024
25 Oct 2024 22:52:39
I think the bottom is, where will we finish in the league this season. By the look of it not in Europe. I think mid table, I can’t see us being near the relegation area, but could be wrong.

I take joyful points in regards to Loppy going mental on the sidelines barking confusing orders we are definitely missing some team spirit and cohesion because if we have that that helps make up for areas where we are lacking. So he does need to sort it out. But I don’t think we should be ditching him now it just isn’t good.

As Nick says what progressive young manager would want to come to us if he thinks I have 5 games to get it right because if I don’t the fans will be wanting me out. I can’t think of any club that has had this approach, that has materialised in a great trophy winning side. At the higher level you can see by Man U, Spurs and Chelsea this revolving door policy has been a failure.

Ferguson is the only Man U manager who has had any success and it took him a number of years. Mourinho and Anchelotti were the only successful managers at Chelsea and since Abramovic ditched Carlo their progression has been downward yet have spent so much money. There are some sides below our level that are cautionary tales and they are Southampton and Watford both of whom have had some decent managers but got rid of them far too quickly not giving them a chance. You don’t need me to say what happened to them.

The problem we have at the moment is exasperated by social media and the pro Moyes pundits having a giggle and twisting the knife but the players and staff must pick up on it and it must affect how they play if they are petrified of making a mistake. Rather than having the crowd fully behind them.

People have said how we should be moving onto the next level, whilst on paper I think we have a much better squad than last season. But we have no striker no proper pace or ingenuity in midfield and our 2 star players don’t seem to be doing us any favours at all. I think we are still some way to move on to the next level. But there is more chance if we can develop some team spirit and togetherness . That’s my take it.

24.) 26 Oct 2024
26 Oct 2024 20:52:42
Maybe the players we have at the club are a little thick
JLop is trying you can see this.

I believe we still need to give a little more time, fingers crossed it works out.

25.) 28 Oct 2024
28 Oct 2024 04:13:51
I haven't been on for quite a while but I don't believe people are still digging tinny out, the point he makes are spot on and posters get a kick out of singling him out by the way its WHORYA how are you tinny keep posting fella some people have minute knowledge on football and all I'm interested in is WHUFC and our main problem is the POISONED DWARF and LADY PENOLOPE the quicker we are shot of them the better and let KRETINSKY be the main shareholder as he is a very shrewd businessman and imo is fully committed to WHUFC unlike the former mentioned puppets

26.) 28 Oct 2024
28 Oct 2024 14:48:44
Good question about how long and how many games is accptable to give someone. Truth is, there is not set number of games. All i know is that 9 games is too early. They say you need to give players a season to adjust to the Prem, why do managers get just 7 games when coming to a new club?
Any manager coming in now becasue fans called for the sack this early will not want to try and play expansive football (which is waht we want right) as they will be ultra cautious to try and not risk being exploited and eventually getting the sack also. Not what we want at all. We can see differnt things are being tried, and this is all a learning process as differnt things will work/fail against differnet opposition.
I also agree with Joyful on the communications aspect, if this is proving to be a problem then it needs addressing. From what i understand, he as already commented on it and i am sure a solution is being looked at.
Back to how much time to give someone; whenever you come into a club (and more so when trying to make big changes) the project is ultimately fluid and you learn and encounter new things as you go. You have to try things, then if thery are not working instantly you may need to stick with it for a few games as it could be players that just need time to adapt. Then if that is not working then you have to make alterations, and 9 league games is nowehre near enough to do this when you also need to factor variables like fitness and form into the equation. J-Lop i believe is still very much in this stage, and has encountered at least three major hurdles while introducing his style that will ultimately delay him getting us playing the way he would have wanted.
1. The midfield do not seem to click and maybe players do not have the attributes capable of playing how he wanted (e.g. pace is an issue at CM it seems), he likely thought they were capable when he joined and this is now being found out. J-Lop needs to adapt therefore, and try and find what CAN work with the players he has. We saw that this weekend. What failed miserably at Chelsea was rightly changed, but what we had changed to clearly did not work vs Man Utd in the first half. Ironically, what failed so badly at Chelsea turned out to be the correct tactic vs Man Utd, as we saw in the 2nd half when Alvarez's position was tweaked and Soucek brought on.
2. Striker. Fulkrugg was clearly brought in becasue the ball does not bounce off him and he can hold up play and bring others in. Striker play is fundamental to progress and achieve a balance, and J-Lop has clearly not been able to utilise Fulkrug, who I hope can at least help. Unfortunately, Micky (no matter how much i love him) does not have this attribute. He gives the ball away a LOT in bad positions as we saw vs Man Utd, and this gives teams the quick counter vs our high line defence.
3. Form of key players. No doubt our front line has stuggled for form and this has put more pressure on our defence which is also changing massively. Importantly, Paqueta has not been himself and again gives the ball away a lot in poor positions still, and this is suicidal when playing the high line with flying fullbacks as we are wide open in these transitions. i'd love to see Paq back playing well, he is simply incredible when on form, but right now i think he cannot be played in CM and maybe he will be better suited more avanced or on the left while the team adjusts and he gets his form back.
I suppose the answer is when the manager appears void of ideas, much like Moyse unfortunately got to.
As for where might we finish this year. Expectations must be realistic, bare in mind we had European football for 3 seasons but only REALLY qualified for it once which was in the 20-21 season. The next year we got lucky that the Confrence league was created the year before and that the PL got 7 EU spots as a CL team won a domestic cup, and the 3rd time we only finished 14th but thankfully won the Conference League the year before. Personally, my EXPECTATION is top half, so 10th, and likely through a better 2nd half of the season than 1st half as this would show progression. But i HOPE we click sooner and end up pushing close to 6th 7th eventually, that would be a good season IMO and our squad has good enough players despite being light up front.

27.) 28 Oct 2024
28 Oct 2024 19:22:56
Hello Whoareya; good to hear from you mate. I’m too thick skinned to let personal insults get to me. Been there, done it and got the tee shirt, so I’ll continue to impart my opinion. Glad you’re back.

28.) 28 Oct 2024
28 Oct 2024 19:47:01
Totally agree with you on FULLKRUG I think people will be shocked when he's back and match fit and up to pace as he's a far better player than people give him credit for he WILL score goals and IF he stayed fit for a whole season he would get 18+ goals maybe close to 25 imo he's decent trust me I've watched a fair bit of him.⚒️⚒️⚒️COYI

29.) 29 Oct 2024
28 Oct 2024 23:12:06
Totally agree mate. My family is German and in Germany I support Werder Bremen. I’ve seen a fair bit of Fullkrüg and can confirm he’s good when he gets the right service. However, we still need another (younger) centre forward with strength and pace because Antonio is finished.

30.) 29 Oct 2024
29 Oct 2024 13:23:27
Who would you like to see West Ham sign Tinlegs? Give us one of your famous recommendations.

31.) 29 Oct 2024
29 Oct 2024 13:39:12
Famous recommendations? If they are so famous, maybe you’d like to remind us all of those I’ve made in the past as I can’t seem to recollect the ones you are referring to specifically?

32.) 29 Oct 2024
29 Oct 2024 16:28:28
So can you give a player you would like to see West Ham sign? You seem to have tried to swerve the question. In answer to your question, no I can’t. You don’t provide specific names or details, just vague generic descriptions as above.

33.) 29 Oct 2024
29 Oct 2024 17:50:02
Sorry, but I’m not going to take the bait at your attempts to belittle my opinions. One, it’s pointless - there are several players I’d like to see in claret and blue. Haaland is an obvious one, but we all know he’s never going to play for us! Secondly, your motive is not only immature, but does not contribute to this discussion thread.

34.) 29 Oct 2024
29 Oct 2024 18:26:57
I’m only asking for you to provide a realistic option in the transfer market, I don’t see why you are getting so defensive.

35.) 30 Oct 2024
29 Oct 2024 22:19:42
Does anyone have an update on Fullkrüg’s injury? The last I heard was that he had gone to Germany for a course of injections.

36.) 30 Oct 2024
30 Oct 2024 07:06:36
This is bizarre behaviour Tinlegs. For someone so vocal of your disdain of our all time PL top goal scorer I cannot fathom why this process of you naming one player you would replace him with in the transfer market is taking so long.

{Ed001's Note - maybe because he is not a professional scout?}

37.) 30 Oct 2024
30 Oct 2024 12:10:53
I don’t think it’s a case of belittling your opinions now. As we all have different opinions about who is good or bad but if you did suggest someone who who turned out to be a wrongen then you would rightly be slaughtered las you are so quick to criticise other’s opinions. I have quite often been wrong with my initial opinions on here but the difference is I can admit that, you seem incapable of it.

38.) 30 Oct 2024
30 Oct 2024 12:44:37
Hammer-D: “I have quite often been wrong with my initial opinions on here but the difference is I can admit that, you seem incapable of it.”
TinLegs: “I will continue to give my opinion, be it right or wrong (none of us are perfect), about a club I love and have supported man and boy for 61 years.“

39.) 30 Oct 2024
30 Oct 2024 19:57:51
FairPlay ?