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05 Feb 2018 20:43:56
Hi fellas ANOTHER Monday another crisis Moyes is off THE roofs falling in we lost badly last Saturday c'mon this is WH it's never any different is it really? Ok let's deal with each thing separately Moyes has a six month break clause it's agreeable to both sides Ok he goes so we join the ever growing band of clubs who change managers every time it rains it's the current trend ridiculous in my opinion but it is what it is WINDFALL tax don't be misled about this IF and it's a big IF Dgs want to sell there are a dozen ways all or most of this can be avoided don't be taken in by people posting about things they have absolutely no idea about finance being one of them JOE ALLAN why would Stoke city deny they had a big bid for this player by WH publishing. FALSE claims they have added lots of value to him WH didn't bid anything like that IT Was 14.5 m plus totalling 18 m which was about right NO it all doesn't help at all but as long as DS is in charge that's how it is and unfortunately no march banners or shouting is going to make any major differences until he's ready IRONMIKE.

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05 Feb 2018 21:03:41
Hi Mike, thanks for the update, is there a possibility Moyes could walk before seasons end?

05 Feb 2018 21:20:20
They will make a difference, banners, marching etc etc.
Destabilize the players and then if we go down the board can blame someone else.
Leave your banners, marches etc until hopefully we are safe then let them have it.
You only have to read what Michail Antonio said to realise that any protests at the moment is detrimental to the manager and players.

06 Feb 2018 00:15:51
Moyes was not promised the earth in the window he wanted four players in I he got only two he is obviously very dissapointed it’s imossible to know what he’s going to do but his career is on the line as well IRONMIKE.

06 Feb 2018 11:56:26
Gerry, it may not achieve much but it will let them show that we don't just sit back and take it from the 3 stooges, i'm sure most are intelligent enough to separate the protest, than getting behind the team, the protest is outside the ground once inside i'm sure we will all get behind the players.

05 Feb 2018 17:06:19
Chaps I don't know how much truth is in this but I've just read that Moyes will leave at the end of the season with Benitez and Marco Silva in the running, this can't be right as Moyes is doing a good job with the tools his got, would like to know what everyone thinks?

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05 Feb 2018 17:26:46
perhaps he does not suffer fools gladly.

05 Feb 2018 17:42:58
Not sure how much truth in the rumour but he doesn't seem happy with the way the last transfer window went.

05 Feb 2018 17:57:34
You can understand his frustration Phil, I wouldn’t be surprised if he walked.

05 Feb 2018 18:07:17
If he keeps us up his stock rises and he's seen how the idiots in charge operate.

No surprise if he walked.

05 Feb 2018 19:19:22
Could well be the transfers that has pushed him away, joined us being told he had full control of transfers then found out too late that . guess what . he had no control : ( sorry mr Moyes : (.

05 Feb 2018 19:32:37
If this is true, why on earth is this being announced at such a crucial point in the season. This is not a way to get players motivated to play if the manager has already announced that is won't be staying.

05 Feb 2018 19:53:17
Agreed WH all joking down I don’t get this for timing at all, unless we imagine all sorts of fall outs and who knows what, my feeling is let’s wait and see .

05 Feb 2018 20:00:56
And another thing, why would Rafa leave Newcastle due to no backing ( financial ) to come to us for the same? No chance.

05 Feb 2018 20:40:36
Hi all the sooner the better if dgs sold how club Moyes doing good job with what he has grrrrr.

06 Feb 2018 13:15:53
Benitez I hope won't be coming because I just don't rate the guy we are talking about a guy who had a 68% win rate at REAL MADRID come on icould do better than that and I don't think it would happen anyway because BENITEZ would want the final and only say on transfers that ain't going to happen with the trotters is it . COYI.

04 Feb 2018 22:16:37
Hi fellas, back in the window I mentioned Arsenal offered us two players whom I could not identify at that time it was Elneney and Holding WH had no interest in Elneney but did show mild interest in Holding whom 7 million was asked but West Ham declined. IRONMIKE.

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04 Feb 2018 23:14:28
Hi Mike - first time post on this site - do West Ham decline or offer 3mil and annoy Arsenal’s chairman that he refused To deal with us! Heard that West Ham have special prices for Arsenal players as Sullivan has annoyed the chairman and other chairman for that matter.

05 Feb 2018 12:07:03
Hiya MIKE rumour going around we are tracking HALLER a striker from FRANKFURT a 23 year old with pace and goals any news mate. COYI.

05 Feb 2018 12:33:59
We track lots players, and attempt to buy . errrr not many :)

05 Feb 2018 14:32:23
Agreed Jasonb but Sullivan reckons its a time to stick together and have unity pmsl, RAFL what a joker this guy is and how he must think we are stupid. Sullivan reckons we bid £25m for Joe Allen from Stoke which was rejected, but WE SOLD Ayew to Swansea for £18m? Also, if we bid £18m for Joe Allen why only £4.4m for Dendoncker and am not sure what or IF we bid for Amadou but I tell you this, I SMELL A RAT.

05 Feb 2018 16:51:43
We’ve got to be the worst run club in the prem, and there’s only one way in which a club like that will go and that’s south, the sooner we get investment the better, but the owners will not sell the club outright until at least 2023 as they would have to pay windfall tax.

05 Feb 2018 19:58:35
If if carries on Steve by that time time we could be like Wigan ( no disrespect meant ) Jesus we implode and div 1 football, oh but with a world class stadium! God I’m giving myself a headache thinking about it : ( phil please give me a happy pill mate.

04 Feb 2018 04:58:30
Hi fellas for the idiot on another sitr
that suggested the Road town organisation fronted by
Michael Tabor have
Insufficient funds for a football club takeover
there collective value is estimated at 23 billion pounds to be honest I hope there interest
May be the catalyst to flush other parties out IRONMIKE.

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04 Feb 2018 12:01:40
Hi Mike would DGS allow this the club needs something?

04 Feb 2018 13:23:18
Hi mike your right mate they are worth more than you quoted in fact. COYI.

04 Feb 2018 14:54:59
OBIANG AND CARROLL OUT FOR VIRTUALLY THE REST OF SEASON, meaning we are stuck with noble and KOUYATE I'd play Reid there if fit and MIKE can you confirm that we had a valid interest in NGOLO KANTE AND BADIOU N'DIAYE of Stoke because that's exactly why you and me and thousands of west ham fans are up in arms because CARVALHO AND DENDONKER are two we've let go of and also if we were totally ( don't believe a bit of) in DENDONKER why if SULLY and co have west ham in their hearts isn't there a deal in place for DENDONKER OR CARVALHO in place to join in the summer I'll tell you why because they ain't totally commited to improving the squad WE NEED TABOR AND QUICKLY because THEY HAVE MONEY TO COMPETE WITH THE BEST AND INTELLIGENCE. COYI.

04 Feb 2018 17:05:18
Where can I read the details of the Michael Tabor interest in investing in West Ham?

04 Feb 2018 18:13:55
You won’t WHY would owners tell you this? IRONMIKE.

03 Feb 2018 19:24:51
HI Fellas prior to game DGS get call from Michael Tabor and his Road Town associates THEY will provide funds to invest in new players and clear ALL personal and club debts for an unknown stake THIS is a big offer I ASSUME they would want around 40 percent of the club THE DGS response will be of interest these people are NOT looking to buy WH outright as such BUT they certainly have enough money to do so IRONMIKE.

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03 Feb 2018 19:53:12
Tabor if anybody doesn't know him and his partners are probabply with the arabs the biggest owners of horses in the world.

03 Feb 2018 19:58:49
The minute TABORS in the door let's 1 see if he wants to buy the club and 2 how SULLY keeps his word that if somebody puts a serious offer in he'd sell i'm not convinced, i'm praying this happens because they have got serious financial clout and endless pit you could say. COYI.

03 Feb 2018 20:08:20
Very interesting mike. Let's see how this plays out. Even more interesting if table sees the forthcoming demonstrations. Shame they couldn't come forward two weeks ago when transfer window was open.

03 Feb 2018 20:12:27
Fingers crossed Mike, we need something.

03 Feb 2018 20:29:07
Is M Tabor a real possibility to take the club on and possibly forward esp with the unrest again?

03 Feb 2018 21:08:30
Michael Tabor almost bought West Ham before in Harry Redlnapps time if you haven't read Harry's Autobiography worth a read just for that bit.

03 Feb 2018 22:20:18
Tabor taking a sizeable shareholding would be good as far as I'm concerned, as I'd hope we'd see a breakup of the Sullivan/ Brady dictatorship. And the Club being run in a far more professional manner.

Will be interesting to see if Sullivan keeps his word about welcoming new investment to take the Club forward.

04 Feb 2018 04:13:49
. run on a more professional manner. WELL SAID😎.

05 Feb 2018 07:21:22
Maybe Tabor will offer loan to buy?

03 Feb 2018 19:07:06
HI fellas MÁRIO tells agent providing WH don't get relegated he wants permanent move to us and I thought the dressing room was negative not so says new man. IRONMIKE.

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03 Feb 2018 20:27:52
He is a player mike, with Arnie and lanzini back the 3 of them could be the best we’ve seen at West Ham for many a year.

03 Feb 2018 22:10:30
Would love to see Mario here next season assuming we survive!

03 Feb 2018 18:36:06
Hi fellas K rap 12000 ready to march and show there anger it's all understandable but I just don't know what good it's going to do Ok WH turned down 250 k! Loan fee for Quina from Scunthorpe thought they wanted players to get experience! Antonio tells me the players are fed up with all the negatives Time becoming for great changes IRONMIKE.

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03 Feb 2018 19:14:21
Am not sure what good it will do either but when the board don't listen it will show they don't care. David gold once said "if the fans didn't want him. to run the club he would sell up"! The problem is Sullivan and brady.

03 Feb 2018 22:16:06
Mike, the Board have pillaged the club and taken the fans for fools, what else are they going to do but march? What else would you suggest?

04 Feb 2018 04:50:20
No there’s nothing you can really do I am not suggesting giving up your ticket either IRONMIKE.

02 Feb 2018 15:15:54
Everton fan here, would you lot have been happy with sniderlain? or tom davies? seen you linked with both, i feel for your fans at the minute i don't no y but i have a soft spot for the hammers and from the outside looking in its shocking what your owners are doing to you. your set up perfectly to be a massive club but they are content at staying in the league and selling anything or anyone they can, its such a shame.

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02 Feb 2018 16:06:05
Thanx Johny, appreciate the sentiment
As an aside, what did you think of Moyes at Everton?

03 Feb 2018 22:13:32
Players getting fed up with all the negativity - well they should try being a fan, we've put up with a lot more and for a lot longer.

05 Feb 2018 11:22:48
i liked moyes mate just think he stayed a bit long he took us so far then it levelled off and we as fans began to believe his we finish 7th and we have won "our" league speech when he could have pushed us on, also he has a habbit of buying good dtrikers and then playing them out wide untill they had zero confidence left.

02 Feb 2018 11:14:58
Hi, quick question to IronMike. Do you think that Chicarito is heading for the MLS and if so in the window? May be the reason Moyes moved for Hugill.
Have been thinking this for Ibrahimovic with there window stoll to come.
Hope you stick with Moyes. He has his faults but is a good manager and with backing, long term deal and G&S taking a back seat he will get WH heading in the right direction.

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01 Feb 2018 20:35:19
Hi fellas AS I told you yesterday the Dendonker failure WAS NOT over the transfer price it was the cash deposit and stage payments that caused the collapse SOME of the fellas on here don't understand that this is the general way of doing things and is not unique to WH this is or has become the norm in transfer business RUBBISH said one poster sorry mate showing your lack of knowledge here both Talksport and the BBC have now cottoned onto this ALTHOUGH both have the figures wrong Anderlecht were demanding nearly 12 m up front WH never received that amount up front from the Ayew and Sakho transfers put Together IRONMIKE.

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01 Feb 2018 21:10:41
Thanks mike :) clarity is always good but understanding is even better! :)

01 Feb 2018 21:18:33
Mike, we have followed your postings closely for the last several windows.

I think it was about 6 windows ago, that you told us that there was a strategy at Board level, to build a World Class Team to match the World Class Stadium.

We now look at the squad and can see that was all Hot Air. The Board is incapable of building a strong Team, they only know the power of the Pound. They treat the fans like fools and they think West Ham is worth £ 650m. I don't know Mike how you can continue working at West Ham and defending the Board in any way.

Big Sam was right when he said Deluded, however its not the fans who are, but the Board which is fully Deluded beyond comprehension.

01 Feb 2018 21:27:39
Mike doesn’t work at West Ham.

01 Feb 2018 23:07:24
I have to disagree with you there MIKE because if we haven't got £12 mill spare from PREMIERSHIP PAYMENTS AND WHAT THEY didn't SPEND LAST YEAR then I'd be totally astonished sometimes you have to put up or shut up. P. S I fully understand ourwage bill is high but that's there fault players from abroad likeDENDONKER AND CARVALHO are probably on £30,000 a week if that so come on Mike that's a fragile statement mate.

01 Feb 2018 23:36:07
I get the staged payments surely that normal for most clubs now surely? Does anyone know what hugill monthly wage will set us back?

02 Feb 2018 08:15:48
Thank you ironmike for the information on structural payments always good to learn the ins and outs.

Touching on what Gkg66 mentioned, could we have not paid the £12m up front if we really wanted the player, OK I understand it may not be the norm and we didn't receive that amount upfront from the 2 striker sales, but why couldn't we have balanced the books further down the line, as in if you pay the £12m upfront than structural payments would be less and its a case of balancing later, or is it more complex than just that?

02 Feb 2018 08:53:51
SO "Anderlecht were demanding nearly 12 m up front WH who never received that amount up front from the Ayew and Sakho transfers put Together"? And your telling me that we couldn't afford what they were asking and had to have sales before we were able to manage it? Is that correct because if so where has all the money gone!?

02 Feb 2018 09:56:32
because if it was staged payments then maybe hammers only got 6 mill up front then staged over a few years?

02 Feb 2018 10:22:24
noel17. so basically what you are saying is WH have not got £6m surplus money? if they received £6m up front for Sakho and Ayew.

What with the money coming in from the TV, the revenue from tickets and merchandise sales, the money never spent as promised in previous transfers and the sale of Sakho and Ayew we can not muster £12m upfront? . I find that very hard to believe for the 17th richest club in the world

If they wanted him that badly the money would have been made available, IMO they once again giving BS as they always do.

{Ed002's Note - You all really need to avoid discussing money - it is causing a lot of confusion and everything I see is incorrect.}

02 Feb 2018 10:48:40
Hi Ed002

Any chance you may be able to enlighten us? once and for all, obviously as normal fans we get promised big transfers that never materialise so we find it difficult to understand why upfront payments can not be met on the rare occasion if they really want the player.

{Ed002's Note - I really don't want to get in to the finances as it causes a great deal of confusion. But in simple terms the cash flow of the club is not based on a series of separate pots but the overall income and how it is and can be allocated - there are payments to be made for the running of the club, wages, policing, stadium costs, lights, etc. so some clubs may be deemed "rich" (or better "be worth more if the tangible assets and good will were converted to cash") but it does not mean they have a giant suitcase full of cash behind the sofa. And fans forget that payments made for players by other clubs are far less than the values of the transfer fees - so if a fee of £10M is agreed and paid in full West Ham will typically get about £7M or £8M out of it.}

02 Feb 2018 11:22:08
Thanks for that Ed002 it was muchly appreciated. Obviously without getting into a war of words the fans are, as I am, confused about this whole payments business. I don't understand why clubs want to pay £5m now and another £11m in the summer. What happened to just agreeing a value and paying the full amount up front, done and dusted and keeping a good balance of the books without having to budget for future costs during the summer? Am not being dim deliberately I just don't understand why payments staged when clubs surely must have the cash available :-)

{Ed002's Note - Many clubs don't have the cash available because they have other commitments (e.g. payments due for players purchased last season). I appreciate you are not being deliberately dim.}

02 Feb 2018 12:06:35
Thanks ED002 greatly appreciated :~0.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Phil.}

02 Feb 2018 12:46:22
Thank you ed 002.

02 Feb 2018 12:51:50
Sorry to be a pain Ed002, one last question on this matter than Ill keep stum

How is the TV money and sponsor money paid into any club?

Is it paid in a lump of 1 sum or staged over the season?

Im just wondering if I can pop into the Westham shop in Romford and buy some merchandise and ask to pay in stages! :)

Thanks in advance Ed002 for taking the time to explain. much appreicated.

{Ed002's Note - There is an advance payment at the start of the season and the balance at the end when the final figures are known for the TV monies. Sponsorship money depends on the individual contracts.}

02 Feb 2018 16:11:01
So Ed002 - if I can ask a silly question, if the board have not had a net spend in this window (and appear to have balanced the books on wage bill) does this mean they could have paid off some of the money owed for player purchases last year and be in a better position this summer?
Cannot see us being relegated with star players coming back but would be nice to look forward to a decent summer spend.

{Ed002's Note - It is not really how the finances work Glen. The "net spend" football fans often quote is really a bit of a red herring. For the purposes of accounting costs are partitioned, but for the purposes of cash flow it is simply other income or outgoings and the club can either keep it or spend it how they wish. So if there is a surplus after all transfers of £10M that goes in to the club coffers with the other income (match day, commercial sponsorship, winnings from PL, TV etc. etc.) and out of that the staff are paid, the stadium is paid for, the police are paid, national insurance, player insurance, etc. etc.). Clubs need to be financially responsible and meet FFP regulations for transfer spending and for player wages - which are now becoming an issue for a number of clubs with two further PL being warned that they will be asked to explain how they are going to resolve a wage issue that they have. I would still maintain the major issue at WHU is the need for a Director of Football or Sporting Director to come in - and someone strong enough to remove the board from the player purchase decisions.}

02 Feb 2018 19:38:08
Absolutely bang on ed002. We've been screaming about a director of football but it would gave to be someone strong with character twitchy would be ok lol.

{Ed002's Note - You mean Torchy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wujTB-nDe-M

03 Feb 2018 20:12:37
One question without sitting on the fence ED and MIKE if we didn't have the money to buy top players why try and sign them they think we are totally braindead, let's go for a twenty mill pound player and offer 4-6mill up front they have to get one thing straightthe world doesn't revolve around the TROTTERS there sort of ego doesn't belong at WEST HAM they lack class and dignity.

 


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