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19 Jun 2019 15:01:58
I'm seeing that if we are to sell Diop we will target Malang Sarr of Nice.
1.) 19 Jun 2019 17:00:03
Yup, saw that too. Presumably the principle is: buy a huge, young French CB for twenty odd million and double your money a year later.
2.) 20 Jun 2019 03:33:56
The fact that you can double your money should tell the club how hard good CB's are to come by. We won't improve if we think that extra cash can replace a good player. What guarantee would we have we would get our next target? We would have to settle again.
3.) 20 Jun 2019 09:21:47
To be fair, this is what I have wanted the club to do for years. Buy young, do well, identify a younger replacement in all areas and be prepared to only sell for huge amounts of money. Basically use the big clubs money to break the ceiling and catch up
Would prefer more Academy players coming through too.
4.) 20 Jun 2019 11:59:56
Glen : so in your philosophy where does it stop?, so we buy cheap sell big, than buy cheap and sell big, and then what? How do we create a team and solidness keep chopping and changing.
Lets face it, the Prem is a monster out of control where fairness has nothing to do with it, the deeper the pockets the more successful you are, Leicester was a one off and will never happen again. Until the transfer rules change as in you can only spend a certain amount a season, unless you have oil coming out of your backside it will always be catch up. we will never reach a level of Manchester s, Liverpool and any other team unless you are a billionaire and in season to come you will prob need a multi billionaire and more importantly willing to invest
With us paying £20 odd mill for a player and maybe getting £50m back in a season, in comparison to the teams mentioned its small change, they will spend £50m as a routine squad player, that's how far they are ahead.
I say let all of these teams bugger off to a super league in Europe, get football back to what it should be with even regulations in money, it should be the best coach tactical awareness win matches, not having a billion pound worth of talent on the pitch that could probably win a game without any tactics at all.
Football is going in such a ugly direction, let's hope the Championship does not follow suit, but I can see it happening sooner rather than latter where billionaires will buy up championship sides to reach the promised land. Sorry chaps rant over, anyone fancy a pint?
5.) 20 Jun 2019 13:16:07
Spot on Warrington Seymour 100% agree.
6.) 20 Jun 2019 15:38:29
Agree with that, I'm up for a pint ðŸº.
7.) 20 Jun 2019 16:34:09
We are a club with a limited budget looking to challenge for honours the fact that owners have come n said rice not sale Diop will go for silly money full credit to the players for not doing an Arnie . the bottom line we do need extra finances . the players they talking about moving would bring in 20-25 million most of that would come from Obiang n chicorito. So we would be looking to replace 2 strikers and maybe promote 2 half decent strikers will set us back 45-50 mill.
8.) 20 Jun 2019 19:05:42
Its a merry go round bkk, we sould be pouring money into coaching the youth and developing them into top top players, its not instant sucesss and have to be patient but unless a multi billionaire comes in we will and always will be playing in a leauge within a leauge if that makes sense. I have said the only way to even out is to have a cap on how much a teams spend a season, this will distrbute the best players around the teams hence making it more even . This will never happen, so the only way is to protect the sport is to let all the big teams piss off to a super leauge and get football back in England into Division, 1234.
9.) 20 Jun 2019 19:54:21
Warrington. Let me do the maths
20m outlay -20m
60m sale +40m
20m outlay x2 0m
60m sale x 2 +120m
20m outlay x2 +80m
60m sale x 2 +200m
It ain't rocket science, just a way of competing and breaking the ceiling. I think we are 2/ 3 years away from being regular Europa league so why not prepare for it? - if big european clubs come in our players would be daft not to leave if they are guaranteed first team footy.
We just need to play silly whilst selling and keep genuine talents like Rice for more than a season and the team will build itself.
{Ed001's Note - except that a 20m outlay on transfers costs in effect a lot more than 20m, it can cost many times that amount in signing fees, salary etc. For instance Rabiot's agent (his mother) is asking for a 10m fee for his transfer. Which is on top of the 10m signing fee he is demanding. And that is a 'free transfer'!
A 60m sale is the opposite, you don't get 60m. For starters 5% goes to the player. 5% goes to the clubs who developed him under a certain age (off the top of my head I think its 21 but I would need to check). So that's 10% ie 6m, gone already. That's before you get to agent's fees and solicitors, taxes etc. Best to steer clear of money talk because there is so much that you and I will never see and often prices quoted are wildly inaccurate as the selling club will say the highest possible price if all kinds of clauses are met while the buying club will give out the lowest possible fee.}
10.) 20 Jun 2019 20:03:32
Ps. Think you are right regarding a super league. Maybe then we may get some sense back into the league. Until then I can only hope (and try to emulate the Southampton model but with more resource ;-) )
11.) 21 Jun 2019 08:23:42
Ruddy heck Ed, that's a lot more complicated than I thought.
I knew the players 'fees' but 10m to a players Mum? that's like buying the caravan in snatch!
Any idea (at a simple level) how Southampton managed to do so well with transfers?
{Ed001's Note - I very much simplified it as well, but it was just to give you the idea of how much can end up actually being paid out. It doesn't help that payments are usually done over a period of time, so it is difficult to keep track of how much a player actually costs in total.
Southampton had an excellent recruitment system added to one of the best academies in the game. Because their academy produced such a large number of players, in comparison to others, they were able to be more picky about who they signed. They weren't left with 8 holes to fill each season as they had 4 or 5 youngsters to fill most of the gaps. It is much easier to get transfers right if you can focus your recruitment on finding just a couple of players.}
12.) 21 Jun 2019 11:26:11
Cheers Ed. Thank you for the input.
Seems as though I may have played too much football manager as a youth.
{Ed001's Note - me too, thankfully Ed002 has been educating me over the years.}
13.) 21 Jun 2019 23:08:54
I was going to say ED hasn't out layed everything cost wise but most of it which I wasn't aware of either it's ridiculous gone are the days if a simple transfer it's go so complex thank gOD for ED yiu are the best fella. COYI.
{Ed002's Note - It might be an apt time to explain again about the cost of transfers (excluding wages). What is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the Premier League.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £44M plus VAT on agent fees (nearly double the next highest) last season alone).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Solidarity and Traing Contribututions (see below).
(n) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (usually waived).
What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24 and moving between different football associations, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays). This is generally (there are exceptions) recoverable from the buying club but responsibility (that is meant to be with the buying club) can be assigned to the selling club.
(b) If the player moves to a higher category club (all clubs being categorised 1 to 4) then Training Compensation is due for the period of age 12 to 21. Compensation is due to all clubs when the player turns from amateur to professional and thereafter only when he moves from his final training club to another club. The initial training compensation is levied at the training costs associated with Category 4 clubs. The subsequent figure is agreed between the sides or tribuneral if necessary. This is generally (there are exceptions) recoverable from the buying club but responsibility (that is meant to be with the buying club) can be assigned to the selling club.
(c) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(d) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).
(e) Any money contractually due to a previous club as the result of a sell-on clause.}
14.) 23 Jun 2019 00:54:07
Cheers ED that covers everything needed to know mate great explaining on the business end of a transfer . COYI.
15.) 23 Jun 2019 08:14:52
Sounds like a whole bunch of nectar points to me. 😳.
16 Jun 2019 12:52:05
I've just read that although it's been reported that Celta accepted 29m from WH and Valencia for Maxi Gomez they've in fact rejected a bid of €32.4m in an attempt to create a bidding war for a player they are in no rush to sell.
Makes sense that they'd want to get the most out of a star player. They want more cash and apparently Valencia can't afford/ are unwilling to add the cash instead favour a cash plus player (Santi Mina) .
If he can outbid Valencia then Celta Vigo my reject their bid in favour for more money but champions League is still a very big draw for Gomez and he my push for a move to them regardless of the offers.
Can't work out the reliability or validity of this. I say it like I read it.
20 Jul 2018 18:20:22
What's the situation on Bernard? Have we quietened our interest on incomings until we get some outgoings through the door.
1.) 20 Jul 2018 18:28:16
No situation at present being s free agent Bernard can afford to let the window close and then see if anybody needs him he can sign for anybody anytime anywhere at this time doesn’t look like his demands are being met anywhere. IRONMIKE.
11 Jul 2018 12:19:58
YARMOLENKO CONFIRMED! official West Ham Instagram page has released his intro video. Great signing to add to an already great transfer window IMO ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘.
19 Jun 2018 13:04:08
I've seen on social media that diop has passed a medical at WH and is ready to sign a 5 year deal. How accurate is this?
1.) 19 Jun 2018 13:31:14
Second part of medical was due to finish at 12 noon the deal is agreed apparently there’s a couple of bits on the players portion so it’s close to use that phrase ——honesty after the Andersen business when hands where shaken then fall out followed I get nervous to say anything because the truth is until it’s signed it means nothing IRONMIKE.
2.) 19 Jun 2018 13:43:10
Yeah until they release a picture of him in a shirt of the website haha.
3.) 19 Jun 2018 15:50:24
Until I see him in a West Ham shirt, running on to the field in a competitive match, I won’t believe it’s done.
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24 Jun 2019 10:11:20
I'm seeing rumours that Liverpool are looking to offload Origi. Could be a great signing if we can't land maxi-Gomez. I do have doubts that he'd come to us though.
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are not looking to "offload Origi".}
16 Jan 2019 19:53:12
SEVILLA have just signed Minas Dabbur, a striker. He is joining in the summer though. Does this change their interest in Chica?
1.) 16 Jan 2019 20:48:36
The interest I thought was from Valencia. Apparently they wanted to loan with no fee, no obligation to buy.
Don't see how this would benefit us if arney and hopefully perez go.
06 Jul 2018 17:31:41
What is the situation with whilsheres medical? Has he passed it? Is he close to signing?
1.) 06 Jul 2018 18:34:20
Hi digger WH are putting Wilshire through an exhaustive medical with his record wouldn’t you? All our players are insured and WH have been told what standard to go to as extras tests are required in the circumstances this is not at all unreasonable should all be well his case will carry an extra excess anyway be patient. IRONMIKE.
2.) 07 Jul 2018 18:12:21
Rumour has it he's passed the medical and it's I's and t's to be finalised.
19 Jun 2018 21:51:47
Wilshire is officially leaving arsenal. Will we see him in an WH shirt next season? This boosts our chances of signing him now right? Who else is interested in his signature?
1.) 19 Jun 2018 22:12:28
We have to snap him up. No doubt about it.
14 Jun 2018 14:39:57
@Ironmike or anyone else who might know. This £75 mil that's been touted as our budget for this window, is this just up front money or does that include future installment fees and add ons?
If we sign Anderson for £30m-ish mil and a CB (diop or Mawson etc) for £20-25 mil that leaves us £20mil left in the kitty. If the total costs of transfera are deducted from the budget we really don't have much to play with.
We still need a defensive midfielder, another creative midfielder, arguably a pacy winger, potentially 2 goalkeepers if Adrian leaves (Fabianski is lined up) and any other positions that MP feels need strengthening or replacing for outgoings.
OK loans and free transfers may help a bit (Diaz and Wilshire potentially) but still an awful lot to do with what's remaining. Decent players aren't easy to come by at bargain prices these days, if you want it you got to pay. Rome wasn't built in a day I guess, will the squad be a 2-3 year project to create?
1.) 14 Jun 2018 16:07:24
Congratulations you are the first to realise that transfers in and out are both complicated and expensive Ignore completely the 75m sum we will spend a lot more on the Surface especially with the on costs BUT a lot of deals are by instalments each deal being different it is hoped by the end of trading costs might be close to 75m after sales I hope you get the picture. IRONMIKE.
2.) 15 Jun 2018 12:47:24
that and the fact free transers aren't actually free as there will always be a signing on fee which has to come out of the budget too.
23 Jun 2019 18:34:03
Lanzini was injured a lot of the previous season to last too. Effectively been out the game for 2 seasons so can't expect him to be on top of his game. I think he's got one full season with MP to justify his place in the team before we look for a replacement.
16 Jun 2019 20:46:03
We should offer chica to Valencia to back off from Maxi Gomez. 2 birds one stone. I think they were interested at one point in the past.
16 Jun 2019 11:13:05
I agree with Marko. On a good day masuaku can be outstanding and creswell is solid, it's the consistency that let's them down not necessarily they're overall quality. A striker and holding cm to cover Rice if he needs a rest or picks up a knock is key for this window considering the funds available.
25 Jan 2019 18:07:41
Rossi's injury record is horrendous. We don't want another long term injury on the wage budget.
09 Aug 2018 10:37:41
Official video just been released on West Ham Instagram page. This one is officially done. Perez 📠for WH.
26 Jun 2019 20:21:26
———another mindless abusive vegetable removed from the site—-
26 Jun 2019 19:42:15
Ed what's your problem, your the reason Mike left and killed this fan page. You say your opinion like it's fact and throw tantrums when people disagree with you.
{Ed002's Note - You have made yourself look particularly stupid - I can hardly be held responsible for that.}
26 Jun 2019 18:36:14
Matic followed Mourinho, Richarlison followed Marco Silva from Watford to Everton after on season, Ricardo carvalho followed Mourinho from Porto to Chelsea and real Madrid, Pelle went to Southampton to follow Koeman after playing under him at 2 other clubs, Defoe player under Redknapp at 3 different clubs, Thiago and Guardiola. Just a few that come to mind.
{Ed002's Note - Sure then all you have to do is appoint Benitez as manager - idiot.}
26 Jun 2019 18:17:35
Jorginho left for Chelsea when Sarri left. Players play for their manager now more than the club these days.
{Ed001's Note - he was leaving regardless, it was only a case of who to. He was close to a move to Man City before Chelsea slipped in and outbid them.}
12 Aug 2017 11:23:23
One player I'd love to see come WH on the right wing would be Pione Sisto at Celta Vigo. The lad is class and could be the next Sadio Mane in the prem in my opinion.
Not sure we could get him this transfer window though as he only moved last year, but worth enquiring about at least or tapping up his agent to see if he'd consider a move.